How would you make 50,000 gold?

"Babe Bridou" wrote in message

> Okay, another go at it! Our guild is made of three players, and we're
> currently focusing on getting our outlanders to 70 while knocking out
> the alliance in the process. As a very real objective, we're also
> working on filling the team with epic fliers.
>
> Here's the roster:
> 70 priest mining/engineering (225 riding)
> 70 hunter tailor/enchant (225 riding)
> 70 hunter herb/skin (150 riding
> 70 rogue herb/alch (225 riding)
> 66 druid skin/leather (150 riding)
> 62 warrior blacksmith/eng (75 riding)
> 61 rogue mining/herb (150 riding)
> 61 hunter tailor/enchant (75 riding)
>
> Let's say we'll all need 300 riding and the epic flying mount to boot,
> by the time the last character reaches 70. So we need around fifty
> thousand gold.
>
> When putting together our resources, we three have around 4000-4500
> gold at the moment.
> We play about two hours every night on average, and about one hour
> every morning, 4 days a week. We all have access to each other's
> account in case of emergency.
>
> At the moment the "master plan" is to auction out practically
> everything we collect - except for enchant material because we need a
> second enchanter - to get the first enchanter's alt some goodies
> enchanted.
>
> We're progressing at a decent pace (around 200g/day when questing with
> our Outland "newbies"), but my immediate problem is with
> Jewelcrafting. Our only jewelcrafter is level 35, and though she can
> prospect fel iron, unfortunately she can't prospect adamantite and
> won't be able to until level 50.
>
> Question 1: do you think levelling that mage would allow us to hit the
> 50K mark faster in the long run? Or should selling adamantite/
> prospecting fel iron be good enough?
> Question 2: suggest me in what order you would spend the gold in
> riding skills, assuming EVERYONE needs 300 in the end, please
>

If money is the goal, make sure you stay away from SMV an Netherstorm before
you hit 70. I did that on my rogue and I ws raking in the cash when I went
to those two zones (even had a bunch of quests left in BEM when I hit 70 as
well).

As for the order, give epic flying mount to the characters with herbalism or
mining first. It makes it a lot easier to farm flowes and ores. (I lent 800g
to a guildie for his epic flyer, he was able to pay me back 2-3 days later)

Devast8or
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Babe Bridou wrote:
> When putting together our resources, we three have around 4000-4500
> gold at the moment.
> We play about two hours every night on average, and about one hour
> every morning, 4 days a week. We all have access to each other's
> account in case of emergency.

> We're progressing at a decent pace (around 200g/day when questing with
> our Outland "newbies"), but my immediate problem is with
> Jewelcrafting. Our only jewelcrafter is level 35, and though she can
> prospect fel iron, unfortunately she can't prospect adamantite and
> won't be able to until level 50.

> Question 1: do you think levelling that mage would allow us to hit the
> 50K mark faster in the long run? Or should selling adamantite/
> prospecting fel iron be good enough?

AFAIK the marker for the blue jewels is going down atm.
Has to do with more guilds in BT who get their epic gems I think.

On the other hand, prospecting (and mining too) seems to give less blue
gems since 2.1.x or so, making it often not profitable to prospect
except if you really need something.

On my new server, 20 adamantite go for an easy 40g, with the highest
priced gems at ~70g. Meaning for 40 ada you get at least a certain gem.

> Question 2: suggest me in what order you would spend the gold in
> riding skills, assuming EVERYONE needs 300 in the end, please

first dds with gathering skills, then gatherers, then dds, then rest
(although you might swap pos 2&3).
Although seeing you have still chars at 75 riding, get them 150 first
and then start with epic flying.
Consider the druid has free 225 flying and doesn't need a mount but
rather can do his epic flying quest if you leveled him with looking to
the correct repuation (or push him hard through SL 3 times or so).

For every 70 who can fly already, consider the dailiy quests. Consider
also that many of these quests can be done in a group (all killing,
bombing, escort, booterang, etc)!

And when you have pushed the first char to 300, go do Netherwing quests.
With the dual gathering I advise he should be able to complete daily
quests there pretty fast.

Urs

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Get the rogues doing the mechanar chest trick at level 70 (look on youtube)

I found primal mana very easy to grind even as a caster, just north of area
52 there are mana creatures (you have to kill them for a quest and I
remembered when I did that quest how often I was getting mana motes) this
spot is hardly ever camped and theres loads of mobs, unlike the mobs near
that tower.

Primal water I found easy to grind too, in either of the nagrand lakes, but
you don't have a warlock so maybe you could make some underwater pots.

Get everyone to complete their left over quests at lvl 70, I was making
about 1k a day for 5 days or so.

I used to sell adamantite ore for 25g for 20 ore (10 bars) whilst 20 bars
usually go for 40-45g. They sold fast but jewelcrafters were buying them up
and prospecting them, so there must be more money in that (although myself I
don't like gambling like that too much!)

Do all 10 daily quests each day, although strictly speaking farming motes
maybe more profitable its money in the pocket and its time away from
farming. (oh forgot you will only be able to do 6 since the other 4 need
300 riding!)

Get your herbalists to kill the big trees in skettis, herbing them gives
some good herbs and primal life.

Rogues or druid could stealth instances for ancient lichen (instance only
herb), sanguine hibiscus and other herbs.

Disenchanting greens nearly always makes for better profits, unless its a
7-8 12-14g weapon then Im not so sure.
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"Jason Tinling" wrote in message

> On Oct 5, 11:27 am, "Mr Murloc" wrote:
>
>>
>> Rogues or druid could stealth instances for ancient lichen (instance only
>> herb), sanguine hibiscus and other herbs.
>>
>
> Ancient Lichen are also obtainable from "skinning" bog lords/giants,
> although certainly with a low drop rate.

Yeah I did some of that the other day and got 1. Also the elite trees in
skettis im sure I got 2 and I didnt kill many of them, you get lots of
herbs/life from them.
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I think it was Babe Bridou that wrote
something like...

>On 5 oct, 17:25, .au (Ashen Shugar) wrote:
>
>> I'd say get the 70 herb/skin hunter flying and doing Daily quest asap
>> to help supply your gold. Similar deal when the lower levels get high
>> enough to be able to start flying. Along with the daily's, being able
>> to fly in past mobs, do quest objectives then fly out and pick up a
>> 20-25g reward is good. You'll run out of quests eventually, but
>> they'll get you a heck of long way towards 300 riding before they do.
>>
><snip>
>I only have a problem with that: playing a 70 character when I still
>have other characters who need XP. So we basically play our 70s only
>for:
>_PVP
>_Boosting/Helping lower level characters
>_three/two-manning instances for fun
>and we don't really need a flying mount for either of these, at least
>not until the "others" are also 70 :S
>We tried to get three skettis dailies going, but we failed to find any
>kind of fun in this activity.
>Of course, once everyone is 70 we'll start flying over the SM & NS
>quests like there's no tomorrow, and multiple times to top it off. But
>until then, I prefer spending my time on levelling other characters,
>because money is ephemereal, it comes and goes, but experience is
>permanent

Heh, yeah, I saw another reply of yours about the daily quests after
I'd written this one.

Still, with only a few hours a day of play time, the 3 of you grouping
your way through the area's and solo quests, you can probably make
more money in your limited time from that than doing the daily's on
your 70's then swapping over to do some questing. Though I'd say at
least do like the group prereq quests for the Ogri'la areas. I'm sure
they'd have to reward you with 20g+ for each step. And personally I
love trying the Shartuul's Transporter event, though the last patch
made it a lot harder by breaking one ability that was admittedly a bit
cheap in allowing you to use a combo to get all your life back and do
big damage at the same time.

>> While all 3 of you can log into any of the characters if you have to,
>> you'll probably want to make sure each of the accounts has 1 epic
>> flyer before adding a 2nd to the account. An idea that may not stun
>> many people with it's brilliance, but without knowing which characters
>> are on which accounts, it makes it somewhat harder to suggest an order
>> they should get 300 riding.
>> You'd also likely want to have your first 3 that get 300 riding be
>> classes that compliment each other in regards to doing group quests.
>> If you can have a dpsish tank, dpsish healer and dpsish dpser all with
>> epic flyers, then that would making polishing off unfinished quests
>> for profit and glory go that much smoother. (and quicker)
>
>Very insightful reply here, thanks - here's the roster with accounts:
>
>A
>- 70 hunter tailor/enchant (225 riding)
>- 66 druid skin/leather (150 riding)
>B
>- 70 rogue herb/alch (225 riding)
>- 61 hunter tailor/enchant (75 riding)
>C (me)
>- 70 priest mining/engineering (225 riding)
>- 70 hunter herb/skin (150 riding
>- 62 warrior blacksmith/eng (75 riding)
>- 61 rogue mining/herb (150 riding)
>
>sooo... hunter/hunter/hunter or rogue/rogue/druid for the first "300
>team" ?

Well, in theory you might go A-resto druid, B-Rogue, C-Tankable
Warrior, then you can do any instance just by picking up two more dps.

Of course, the warrior is out any gathering skills, which if your
focusing on making G to provide for the other characters, would slow
you down and the druid is only skinning, which requires you to be
killing mobs that *can* be skinned.

Group B I'd say first up would be the rogue for his Herbalising,
unless you're planning on running instances a fair bit, then the
hunter to DE all the blues to sell the shards might actually be a
better choice, though since you'd only be flying *too* the instances,
having the hunters flyer be the slow one wouldn't be such a big deal,
as the other two could summon him once they beat em there.

Group A focusing on the Druid to provide tanking would probably be
useful for when you want to group. Actually had a pvp orientated
druid with only 10 points in feral very successful tank normal SV's
the other day. I should try and remember his name to look him up on
the Armory. If he was mostly resto, then it seems like it was a build
that would let you tank if you had to, or heal if there was a PUG tank
you could get.

Group C you have the dual gathering rogue that would let you fly
around at full speed gather up mats to put on the AH to make money.
Probably your best bet for sheer G/day, but from what I'm hearing,
that sort of grind wouldn't be something you guys would do. Maybe the
priest, so you've got a healer/dpser for when you group. Between it
and the druid in group A, you'd have your pick of the dps if you ever
needed to PUG a few more for 5 man quests, or if you didn't have so
many options for what you wanted to do at the time, the druid could
heal, the priest dps and you PUG a tank, or the druid could tank, the
priest dps and you PUG a healer. With group B if you're instancing a
lot I'd be inclined to go for the hunter for DE'ing the blues and for
chain trapping mobs for CC.
Then again, group C, the warrior could be a good one to focus on for
instancing. I've had some good experiences with pvp warriors tanking
and then one in a heroic run was averaging around the 900dps just
about every fight except the few where he was kiting an unCCable mob,
so that's some very nice dps to have. He doesn't have any gathering
professions though.
Group C I'd be inclined to go for the priest, they're the only full
time rezzer out of your options and my 70's a shadow priest. ; )


Though 3 manning some of the instances with 3 hunters sounds like it
could be pretty cool. 3 pet's tanking one mob, turn off growl on the
pet that has agro until agro switches to a different pet then turn it
back on again. Repeat for the pet that pulled agro. repeat again.
chain trap up to 3 other mobs. Could be a hoot. ; )

>>
>> They're my thoughts anyway. And I've only got 1 70 that got his epic
>> flyer and is now spending a lot of him time near broke from splurging
>> in the AH. ; )
>
>tell me about it...

Well okay, since you asked. ;p

Blue gems for the healing set, blue gems for the dps set. And now I'm
getting into heroics and even the occasional Kara fillin spot, blue
gems for the raid dps set. ; )

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Babe Bridou wrote:
> Okay, another go at it! Our guild is made of three players, and we're
> currently focusing on getting our outlanders to 70 while knocking out
> the alliance in the process. As a very real objective, we're also
> working on filling the team with epic fliers.

If you just want to make money, start with about 500g and a character
that can disenchant up to level 70 items.

Look at the average price for Arcane Dust in the AH, mutliply by 2.5 (since
a level 66-70 green will, on average, give you 2-3 Arcane Dust), then
place bids on all level 66-70 greens below this price. Disenchant anything
you win & sell the dusts.

Do the same with level 61-65 greens, but use a multiplier of 2 for these (since
these items give slightly less dusts on average).

For example, on my server Arcane Dust is about 2g a piece. So I bid on all
66-70 greens at less than 5g, and all 61-65 greens at less than 4g.

You can make lots of money this way, spending only 20 mintes a day.

The down side to this is that it doesn't really scale - there are a finite
amount of greens for sale, so there is no advantage to having more than one
character per server doing it.

And, of course, everyone's now read this, so there will be competition!

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Hi

Babe Bridou wrote:
> On 5 oct, 16:42, Urs Steiner wrote:
>> AFAIK the marker for the blue jewels is going down atm.
>> Has to do with more guilds in BT who get their epic gems I think.
> I believe there will always be a demand for blue jewels, especially
> with the upcoming Season3 gladiator gear.

hmm, might be a short time demand sising again, yes.

>> On the other hand, prospecting (and mining too) seems to give less blue
>> gems since 2.1.x or so, making it often not profitable to prospect
>> except if you really need something.
> So far I already got three blue gems from prospecting about half the
> fel iron I mined since I entered Outlands on my rogue, at 58. Blue
> gems sell for the gold equivalent of 50 fel iron ores on my server.
> (20 fel iron = between 10g and 15g, 20 adamantite = between 20g and
> 30g, blue gems = between 25g and 40g)

well yes, I just said this to differentiate from the heady days of JC
somewhere in May or so. You got about 10 blue gems then from about 100
Adas

>> On my new server, 20 adamantite go for an easy 40g, with the highest
>> priced gems at ~70g. Meaning for 40 ada you get at least a certain gem.
> My server is old, but horde is still stuck on Kael'thas.

The "new" server is also old, it's just me who's new there

>>> Question 2: suggest me in what order you would spend the gold in
>>> riding skills, assuming EVERYONE needs 300 in the end, please
>> first dds with gathering skills, then gatherers, then dds, then rest
>> (although you might swap pos 2&3).
>> Although seeing you have still chars at 75 riding, get them 150 first
>> and then start with epic flying.
>
> Should I buy the 125 skill right now, to speed up their own levelling
> and gathering?

I'd say yes. You'll be riding around ZM/TF/NA pretty long time anyway.
OTOH, all my chars up to now already had 150 when entering Outland, so I
can't really compare.

>> Consider the druid has free 225 flying and doesn't need a mount but
>> rather can do his epic flying quest if you leveled him with looking to
>> the correct repuation (or push him hard through SL 3 times or so).
> We usually don't do instances, but we'll probably have a go at three-
> manning hellfire/zangar instances in the near future.
> Only when we're alone online do we accept a pug instance run; we
> prefer human enemies That said, I thought you needed 300 flying to
> start the epic flight form quest?

well yes, you need the 5000g upfront. But if you have the reputation for
the end quest, the swift flight form can be achieved in about 2 hours +
the instance run, so you can at least have his flying 200g cheaper.
Also consider that the quest line will give you about 100g back and will
net you a trinket to increase flight speed by 10% for free (i.e. like a
riding crop but only when in the form).

>> For every 70 who can fly already, consider the dailiy quests. Consider
>> also that many of these quests can be done in a group (all killing,
>> bombing, escort, booterang, etc)!
>>
>> And when you have pushed the first char to 300, go do Netherwing quests.
>> With the dual gathering I advise he should be able to complete daily
>> quests there pretty fast.
>
> I hate daily quests with a vengeance. It's worse than grinding, and
> whenever I want to do one it takes up roughly half of my daily playing
> time. Maybe when I have 300 riding I'll consider doing them. But so
> far to me they are nothing but a waste of XP, honor, arena points, and
> fun.

Well, certainly no loss of XP because you have to be 70 anyway. Honor,
yes; but then I'm not the big pvper. Arena points no, because you can't
play much more there than the 10 gmaes, can you?
As for the fun, well yes I certainly like "normal" questing better than
dailies, but my main char has only about 15 quests left (1 of the
original TK-pre-quests (will lead to at least another one), 1 raiding
quest (go kill Al'ar, leads to MH/BT quest line), 1 racing quest from
the Netherwings (about 2 to follow I think) which had to be achieved by
doing some dailies. And that's it! the rest are daily quests. I might
have missed some quests of the "this item starts a quest" sort, but
that's hard to check anyway.
Yes, My second char has still many quests to do, but I don't play him
much at this time. Yes, I'm leveling a new alt atm.
So, nothing much left to do for me

Urs

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Ratoma@Dun Morogh EU - Troll Rogue 28 - (Dis)Enchantress
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