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Since: Feb 04, 2008 Posts: 7
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:54 pm
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Hi group! (Hi Babe!)
Having played mostly my warrior, my rogue, my hunter and my mage for
the past 8-9 months or so, I had forgotten how good of a chinese
farmer my holy priest was.
As a guild consisting of three casual alt-aholic players, last week we
bought four non-epic flying mounts (a shaman's, a hunter's, and my own
hunter's and warrior's) which was kind of a big gold expense. As a
matter of fact, we still have big incoming expenses on the horizon, as
one of the enchanting hunters needs her runed adamantite rod made for
spelldamage enchants, my warrior has wet dreams of getting his
poultryzer, khorium destroyer and drakefist hammer completed. As we
very rarely run high level instances, we're severely lacking large
prismatic shards, and we all loathe everything that's labelled
"daily" (except the PVP quest, from time to time).
I figured I'd start farming some motes of fire; I've got several ways
to do this. The more obvious one would be to take my swift flying
mining rogue around Hellfire Peninsula and mine the hell out of this
place. But seen as I had logged him off in Shadowmoon Valley, about
ready to quest the Cypher of Damnation chain, I figured I needed
something else for a change. I knew my MM/Surv hunter wouldn't be able
to take down elementals fast enough to make the trip worth the time;
the days my pet would enjoy a good firewood trip powered by a cup of
coffee are over since I specced out of beast mastery to score
headshots in the Gulch. I knew my fury/arms warrior was a bit worried
about all this fire damage, and the bleed immunity of these mobs,
cutting down on his impale damage. So I decided to undust my "spirit
priest", Esa, and get her to smite some molten butts.
As she was hanging around in Orgrimmar I first went to Shattrath then
flew to the Elemental Plateau. Epic Cup of Coffee equipped, target
acquired, locked, go, one by one the elementals went down. At some
point my 30mins spirit buff went out, so I laid back on my windrider
and watched what had happened:
A 6-pack of purified draenic beer went down her saintly throat
2 primal fires in the pack, along with 30 elemental fragments.
Not bad. Could be better - why bother drinking at all? Let's go to the
gulch in Blade's Edge instead, mobs have about four thousand less
health. And indeed it was much, much, much better.
25 minutes of farming in BEM yielded:
7g in cash (from the imps)
2.2 primal fires
4*20 elemental fragments (2g37 a stack)
2g in basilisk gray trash drops
4g in gray weapon drops
4 green item drops
40 netherweave cloth
at the expense of a grand total of zero water.
Tell you what, that beats hands down any rate of solo money making
I've ever accomplished with any class. An undead rogue on a
netherdrake, from an illidan farming guild, tried to match my killrate
- he gave up after about 5 minutes. He was wondering why I would spend
time killing imps and basilisks when I could fly around and just kill
elementals instead; I said I simply wanted to keep spirit tap up.
Incidentally I increased the chance to spawn new fire elementals, but
I didn't realize this at that time, my mind was still buzzy from the
night.
As Orion would say:
Three cheers for the Holy priest farming speed!
OH! OH! OH! >> Stay informed about: Holy priest farming speed |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:57 am
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Since: Nov 16, 2007 Posts: 18
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:15 am
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On 5 Feb, 07:54, Babe Bridou wrote:
> Three cheers for the Holy priest farming speed!
I levelled from about 63-70 entirely as holy. The best thing I liked
about it was the lack of stopping to drink. I might be able to kill
things faster as shadow but I (almost literally) never stop as holy.
Spirit Tap keeps the mana flowing but I'd still steadily lose mana and
want to drink about every 5 minutes ago. Which was conveniently about
the cooldown on Shadowfiend so when I hit the level to get that
stopping to drink only happened when I got a bad pull.
I've been grinding out the primals that my holy priest needs using my
Druid - maybe I should respec my priest a little (to include all the
damage talents I missed) and see how it goes with her. I wouldn't
have thought that it would be faster than my feral druid because he
kills quickly *and* never stops.
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Since: Feb 04, 2008 Posts: 7
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:13 am
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On 5 fév, 10:15, "steve.kaye" wrote:
> On 5 Feb, 07:54, Babe Bridou wrote:
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> > Three cheers for the Holy priest farming speed!
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> I levelled from about 63-70 entirely as holy. The best thing I liked
> about it was the lack of stopping to drink. I might be able to kill
> things faster as shadow but I (almost literally) never stop as holy.
> Spirit Tap keeps the mana flowing but I'd still steadily lose mana and
> want to drink about every 5 minutes ago. Which was conveniently about
> the cooldown on Shadowfiend so when I hit the level to get that
> stopping to drink only happened when I got a bad pull.
>
> I've been grinding out the primals that my holy priest needs using my
> Druid - maybe I should respec my priest a little (to include all the
> damage talents I missed) and see how it goes with her. I wouldn't
> have thought that it would be faster than my feral druid because he
> kills quickly *and* never stops.
For some reason the words "druid" and "quick" just don't match for me
(see my other post somewhere about how I can't get to level my druid
past 15), but I have to admit that my guildmate's feral druid kills
fast indeed.
Even then, my priest's grinding speed is roughly equal to my rogue's
killing speed when he crits all of his hemo's and eviscerates (a
steady 700 dps average). I doubt feral druids can match that damage on
single target with such short life bars, as they need time to build up
combos and are otherwise limited by their energy ticks. Besides, as
far as I know a good part of a feral druid's damage comes from
bleeding effects, and alas! elementals are immune to those, but again
I'm a total noob when it comes to treehugging.
That said, my gear and knowledge of the smiting business is seriously
outdated now, as it pre-dates heroic badge, Zul'aman and honor S1
rewards. I'll have another round of theorycrafting & gear/build
optimization some day for the fun of it, probably with the release of
the Sunwell 5-men instance, which I intend to check out. Another
rumoured change that I think will critically increase my grinding rate
is about haste rating reducing the global cooldown; that would
seriously rock my socks. >> Stay informed about: Holy priest farming speed |
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Since: Feb 04, 2008 Posts: 7
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:50 am
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On 5 fév, 10:45, Catriona R wrote:
> Hehe nice I find I have to stop and drink on my UD priest, but that's
> probably because I don't wait for spirit tap to tick but just use the +dmg
> from it to get more damage in on the next mob when I farm... and with
> Oculus of the Hidden Eye I don't have to drink all that often anyway.
>
Get that Bangle of Endless Blessings, Sagart! I ran Botanica a zillion
times to get it, it's by far the single best upgrade you can get on
your gear currently, as the trinket on-use damage bonus (from spirit)
doesn't share the same cooldown as xi'ri's gift's spelldamage boost.
And with the meditation proc stacking with both meditation talent and
spirit tap, most of the time you'll be at 95% mana regen inside the
5sec rule
Also don't diss healing gear for farming. For instance I have both the
DPS merciless gladiator gloves (with blasting enchant) and the gloves
of saintly blessings (with +healing enchant). And tell you what: these
healing gloves, although of a lower tier (early karazhan drop) than
the dps gloves, give a far bigger damage boost to holy priests when
they grind. Feel free to test things out, switch int/damage gear for
spirit/healing gear from time to time. Who knows, you might see some
improvements
> I really enjoy farming on a priest with the right spec though, I've seen my
> damage meter recording over 500 dps *average* after a good farming session
> before now (can get over 1k on a single mob with crits and surge of light),
> and considering I rarely get much over 400 dps on any other character
> unless I want to have lots of downtime for mana/health, that's not bad
That matches exactly my experience as well. When I was *wanding* a mob
this morning, with only shadow word pain and shadowguard to maximize
my shadowfiend mana returns, my damage meter used to show some crazy
figure such as an average of 385dps on those specifically delayed
kills. >> Stay informed about: Holy priest farming speed |
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Since: Nov 16, 2007 Posts: 18
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:05 am
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On 5 Feb, 10:13, Babe Bridou wrote:
> On 5 fév, 10:15, "steve.kaye" wrote:
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> > On 5 Feb, 07:54, Babe Bridou wrote:
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> > > Three cheers for the Holy priest farming speed!
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> For some reason the words "druid" and "quick" just don't match for me
> (see my other post somewhere about how I can't get to level my druid
> past 15), but I have to admit that my guildmate's feral druid kills
> fast indeed.
Well, quick doesn't come into it until you get cat form and probably
even a few levels after that when you get a few more abilites to use.
But, I guess that you've read that already.
> I doubt feral druids can match that damage on
> single target with such short life bars, as they need time to build up
> combos and are otherwise limited by their energy ticks.
I actually find the opposite is true. At the very start of the fight
I do a lot of damage until my energy is expended and then my dps drops
to a more steady pace that is quite a lot less. Combo points aren't
much of a problem as I usually have 4 or 5 before I run out of
energy. I open with pounce which is a stun+bleed attack. I do this
regardless of whether the mob is bleed immune or not because it allows
me to get a mangle (direct damage and a debuff to increase blead
effects and shred) and then a shred. If Omen of Clarity procs (gives
an energy free attack and resets global cooldown) I'll can get in
another shred. I'm then usually ready to do a 4 point finisher as I
get an extra combo point per crit. This is the end of my damage spree
and I have to wait for energy from then on.
> Besides, as
> far as I know a good part of a feral druid's damage comes from
> bleeding effects, and alas! elementals are immune to those, but again
> I'm a total noob when it comes to treehugging.
In cat form we have three bleed effects, an opener, a finisher and a
standard attack all of which benefit from the mangle debuff so yes, a
lot of our damage does come from bleed. I rarely use the standard
attack, never use the finisher and always use the opener for the
reason above. The reason that I never use the finisher or standard
attack is that my Druid is one of two things - a tank or a farmer.
The only thing he farms is primals so I've really got out of the habit
of using my bleed attacks.
> That said, my gear and knowledge of the smiting business is seriously
> outdated now, as it pre-dates heroic badge, Zul'aman and honor S1
> rewards. I'll have another round of theorycrafting & gear/build
> optimization some day for the fun of it, probably with the release of
> the Sunwell 5-men instance, which I intend to check out. Another
> rumoured change that I think will critically increase my grinding rate
> is about haste rating reducing the global cooldown; that would
> seriously rock my socks.
Get on with that theorycrafting then! I'd really like to know more
about how spell haste could affect me but I can't be arsed with
working it out. It'd be great if someone else could do it for me.
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Since: Oct 18, 2007 Posts: 78
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:45 am
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:54:27 -0800 (PST), Babe Bridou
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>Tell you what, that beats hands down any rate of solo money making
>I've ever accomplished with any class. An undead rogue on a
>netherdrake, from an illidan farming guild, tried to match my killrate
>- he gave up after about 5 minutes. He was wondering why I would spend
>time killing imps and basilisks when I could fly around and just kill
>elementals instead; I said I simply wanted to keep spirit tap up.
>Incidentally I increased the chance to spawn new fire elementals, but
>I didn't realize this at that time, my mind was still buzzy from the
>night.
>
>As Orion would say:
>
>Three cheers for the Holy priest farming speed!
Hehe nice  I find I have to stop and drink on my UD priest, but that's
probably because I don't wait for spirit tap to tick but just use the +dmg
from it to get more damage in on the next mob when I farm... and with
Oculus of the Hidden Eye I don't have to drink all that often anyway.
I really enjoy farming on a priest with the right spec though, I've seen my
damage meter recording over 500 dps *average* after a good farming session
before now (can get over 1k on a single mob with crits and surge of light),
and considering I rarely get much over 400 dps on any other character
unless I want to have lots of downtime for mana/health, that's not bad
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Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 70)
Naomh - Draenei Priest (lvl 70)
Rosad - Human Warlock (lvl 70)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 70)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 70)
Eilnich - Blood Elf Warlock (lvl 61)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 60)
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Since: Oct 18, 2007 Posts: 78
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:57 am
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 02:50:45 -0800 (PST), Babe Bridou
wrote:
>On 5 fév, 10:45, Catriona R wrote:
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>> Hehe nice I find I have to stop and drink on my UD priest, but that's
>> probably because I don't wait for spirit tap to tick but just use the +dmg
>> from it to get more damage in on the next mob when I farm... and with
>> Oculus of the Hidden Eye I don't have to drink all that often anyway.
>>
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>Get that Bangle of Endless Blessings, Sagart! I ran Botanica a zillion
>times to get it, it's by far the single best upgrade you can get on
>your gear currently, as the trinket on-use damage bonus (from spirit)
>doesn't share the same cooldown as xi'ri's gift's spelldamage boost.
>And with the meditation proc stacking with both meditation talent and
>spirit tap, most of the time you'll be at 95% mana regen inside the
>5sec rule
Ooh I never considered that foranything other than healing, good point!
>Also don't diss healing gear for farming. For instance I have both the
>DPS merciless gladiator gloves (with blasting enchant) and the gloves
>of saintly blessings (with +healing enchant). And tell you what: these
>healing gloves, although of a lower tier (early karazhan drop) than
>the dps gloves, give a far bigger damage boost to holy priests when
>they grind. Feel free to test things out, switch int/damage gear for
>spirit/healing gear from time to time. Who knows, you might see some
>improvements
The problem I have with healing gear is lack of crit... and more crits
means more surge of light procs  I can see healing gear being an
improvement to you on pvp gear, because the pvp priest set doesn't come
with crit on, but I've gone out of my way to get a good set of pve blues
with lots of crit as well as the rest. Hard to get a balance of everything
i want really, but I'm working on it!
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Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 70)
Naomh - Draenei Priest (lvl 70)
Rosad - Human Warlock (lvl 70)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 70)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 70)
Eilnich - Blood Elf Warlock (lvl 61)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 60)
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Since: Oct 29, 2007 Posts: 23
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:38 pm
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BB> killing speed when he crits all of his hemo's and eviscerates (a
BB> steady 700 dps average). I doubt feral druids can match that damage
BB> on single target with such short life bars, as they need time to
My druid is my main (Aurian - Ragnaros EU) and he beats your rogue in dps as
with lucky crits I get 1000-1200 dps (got addon) on single targets when
farming else if no crits at all (hard with 41% crit) I get around 700-800
dps. In boss fights I can have a steady 800-900 dps without problems. >> Stay informed about: Holy priest farming speed |
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Since: Nov 13, 2007 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:38 pm
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"Shammy" wrote:
> BB> killing speed when he crits all of his hemo's and eviscerates (a
> BB> steady 700 dps average). I doubt feral druids can match that damage
> BB> on single target with such short life bars, as they need time to
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> My druid is my main (Aurian - Ragnaros EU) and he beats your rogue in dps as
> with lucky crits I get 1000-1200 dps (got addon) on single targets when
> farming else if no crits at all (hard with 41% crit) I get around 700-800
> dps. In boss fights I can have a steady 800-900 dps without problems.
That's pretty good but I think Babe was referring to characters at his
gear level -- pre-Kara, not folks that have been raiding for the last
year.
In my guild, starting out in TK and SSC, we had a druid who was
competitive with the rogues at the time with ~1000 dps in boss fights
but I think he also out-geared them. I suspect the rogues have a
moderate dps advantage at the same gear level, but of course they can't
buff or heal their way out of a paper bag. >> Stay informed about: Holy priest farming speed |
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Since: Nov 16, 2007 Posts: 18
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:15 pm
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On 5 Feb, 19:00, Babe Bridou wrote:
> My mage is only 52 so I can't make a comparison in grinding power yet.
> The only thing I know about my mage is that I wish conjured water
> power would increase linearly with levels, instead of those big steps
> every time you unlock a new rank. I hate drinking
Me too (hate drinking). And I hate mage water. You get the level 25
water at 30, 35 water at 40 etc. So at level 39 you're using level 25
water. So whenever you drink you end up having to drink twice to fill
your mana bar. I've even been tempted to *buy* water for my mage
before now.
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Since: Oct 29, 2007 Posts: 23
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:06 am
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BB> the shadowguard while I start pulling another mob). The greatest
BB> advantage holy priests have compared to feral druids is that they
BB> are ranged dps - by the time the druid gets in position for the
BB> pounce, the priest is practically looking for the next mob to nuke.
1. Pounce works like cheap shot, you dont need to be behind or anything.
2. When you grind you dont pounce as it is much faster just pull with faerie
fire (from cat form) and just kill, you dont have any downtime anyway.
And druids have 30% speed increase outside in cat form and +45% increase if
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