Gold cap

On Jan 18, 7:26 am, "srider Br. Dragonflight PVE"
wrote:
> On Jan 17, 3:04 pm, lcpltom wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 17, 11:00 am, Matt wrote:
>
> > > On 17 Sty, 16:40, lcpltom wrote:
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> > > > Supposedly, and according to WoW Insider, these players posted screen
> > > > shots along with their post on the official forums. One screen showed
> > > > a chat conversation with a GM. The player asked if there was a gold
> > > > cap, and the GM had no idea.
>
> > > The GM said that there is a limit, and it's value is due to gold saved
> > > in non-10 base format but that's all that he knows. Here's the link
> > > (with screenshots) from EU forums:
>
> > >http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=2405321605&sid=1
>
> > > If the info in the forum thread is true, that player has PvP rank 14
> > > and is exalted with over 30 factions - so it must be a player who is
> > > in the game quite a long time. So it's not impossible that he amassed
> > > all that gold himself. "Time is money friend!".
>
> > > --
> > > Regards
> > > Matt
>
> > If time is money, then money, real or virtual, is a clear indication
> > of what one does with their time. Adding in time activities that have
> > little or no money value, such as PvP rank and rep levels, and its
> > clear that this person has spent so much time indoors that he has
> > ceased to be what is normally defined as human. I believe he has
> > become something similar to a cave dwelling creature, with the only
> > "sunlight" he receives is the virtual light from his monitor.
>
> > I would like to see this person dragged, kicking and screaming, out
> > into the daylight to see if the sudden exposure to photons causes him
> > to go into shock and die.
>
> > Not my call though.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> that person is called "he who has no life"

How do you kill that which has no life?
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On Jan 18, 8:50 am, Urs Steiner wrote:
> Moosen wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:57:18 -0800 (PST), lcpltom
> > wrote:
>
> >> Turns out there is a limit to the maximum amount of gold you can have
> >> on one character. As reported by WoW Insider, the gold cap is 214,748
> >> gold, 36 silver, 48 copper. Apparently within the past week, 2
> >> players have hit this cap.
>
> >> Now, I know not everyone has gold at this level, but I have a feeling
> >> there will be a huge inflation in the cost of mats, reagents,
> >> training, food and water, and just about everything else with the next
> >> expansion to account for the new virtual-wealth WoW players now have
> >> access to.
>
> > I'll tell you one things that's for damn sure- nobody stocks up that
> > kind of gold without some pretty shady-assed methods, period. Probably
> > banker toons for farming sweatshops.
>
> sorry to break your bubble.
>
> As I play on the server now (Lothar EU) that this player was on
> previously, he's quite famous for always having had much money.
>
> He's sponsored a tournament in STV Arena for 10k Gold, somehow I don't
> think gold farmers would give it away This was before BC.
>
> AFAIK he earned most of it by trading because he's interested in economy
> and is also running some economy simulations.
>
> Urs
>
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> Blackhorns - Tauren Bear 70 - Skinning & Herbalism
> Ratoma- Troll Rogue 28 - (Dis)Enchantress
> Melony - Human Mage 16
> and various others

If he is able to generate so much virtual wealth, has he applied his
gold making strategies to the real world?

If he already has, and because of it has become independently wealthy,
then I can see how he has the time to play.

I need about 1200g to get my 300 riding skill and epic flying mount.
Think he might consider transferring some of that gold my way?
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Aboo wrote:
> On Jan 17, 4:05 pm, " " wrote:
> > On Jan 17, 1:57 pm, the warlock society wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > As many have alluded to It's probably something as simple as being
> > > limited by the data type used in the database.
> >
> > > For the sake of argument, if it every became a "problem" blizz's DBAs
> > > could simply convert the data type to a larger range.
> >
> > Heh, sometimes 'simply' ain't so simple!
>
> It all depends on how it's stored, to be honest. It's possible that
> the data type is something different but the means used to display it
> on the client side is a signed integer. That would require a bit more
> work to change, but still do-able for instance. But it is HIGHLY
> probable that "Besides, everyone knows that no would ever get more
> than 214,000 gold. " is the correct answer to why that's the cap.
>
> It's also highly probable that it IS stored as a signed integer. To
> be honest, there is really no reason not to store it that way. There
> would be no really noticeable performance difference in storing it any
> other way. And it's easy, so why not?

Aboo I beg to differ and let me provide a little evidence for my
arguement

An "integer" data type's precision is 10 digits and it ranges from
-2,147,483,647 through 2,147,483,647.

Compare that number with the maximum gold stated in the article:
214,748 gold, 36 silver, 48 copper. See the correlation? I can only
logically assume that data type is what it's limiting factor is.

Like another poster pointed out there; it makes you wonder if it
really isnt 47copper vs 48 copper but aside from that I'd put my money
with on the data type.
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Moosen wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:57:18 -0800 (PST), lcpltom
> wrote:
>
>>Turns out there is a limit to the maximum amount of gold you can have
>>on one character. As reported by WoW Insider, the gold cap is 214,748
>>gold, 36 silver, 48 copper. Apparently within the past week, 2
>>players have hit this cap.
>>
>>Now, I know not everyone has gold at this level, but I have a feeling
>>there will be a huge inflation in the cost of mats, reagents,
>>training, food and water, and just about everything else with the next
>>expansion to account for the new virtual-wealth WoW players now have
>>access to.
>
> I'll tell you one things that's for damn sure- nobody stocks up that
> kind of gold without some pretty shady-assed methods, period. Probably
> banker toons for farming sweatshops.

I think those gold cap amounts are usually pooled up from several people
but it is not that rare to have gathered 50k gold or so. For some it's a
game on its own. Simply by farming or grindin you won't get to those
levels, and usually they get their money mainly by 'playing' the AH.
Of course some of those tactics that get you a steady amount of
money from AH are maybe a bit 'shady-assed'

There's an interesting discussion about it on the Elitist Jerks'
Forum: http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t18064-art_making_gold/


--
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society." -Mark Twain
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PV wrote:
> lcpltom writes:
> >If he is able to generate so much virtual wealth, has he applied his
> >gold making strategies to the real world?
>
> The real world economy isjust a LITTLE more complicated that the wow one,
> and runs on a completely different set of rules. *
> --
> * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
> like corkscrews.

So very true. I make a pretty good amount of gold from playing the AH
and such... and I catch myself thinking "why isnt making real money
this easy?"

Like PV said, there's a lot more to it in real life than in wow's
economy.

If everyone could go down to their local walmart, spend $1000 on
merchandise and turn it around in less than 12 hours for 50% profit
without permits, licenses, receipts and quarterly statements for the
business and the IRS, operating expenses, payroll & 401ks etc (we
could go on for hours)... making money would be pretty easy wouldnt
it?
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:57:18 -0800 (PST), lcpltom
wrote:

>Turns out there is a limit to the maximum amount of gold you can have
>on one character. As reported by WoW Insider, the gold cap is 214,748
>gold, 36 silver, 48 copper. Apparently within the past week, 2
>players have hit this cap.
>
>Now, I know not everyone has gold at this level, but I have a feeling
>there will be a huge inflation in the cost of mats, reagents,
>training, food and water, and just about everything else with the next
>expansion to account for the new virtual-wealth WoW players now have
>access to.

Sounds like a good problem to have.

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Moosen wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:57:18 -0800 (PST), lcpltom
> wrote:
>
>> Turns out there is a limit to the maximum amount of gold you can have
>> on one character. As reported by WoW Insider, the gold cap is 214,748
>> gold, 36 silver, 48 copper. Apparently within the past week, 2
>> players have hit this cap.
>>
>> Now, I know not everyone has gold at this level, but I have a feeling
>> there will be a huge inflation in the cost of mats, reagents,
>> training, food and water, and just about everything else with the next
>> expansion to account for the new virtual-wealth WoW players now have
>> access to.
>
> I'll tell you one things that's for damn sure- nobody stocks up that
> kind of gold without some pretty shady-assed methods, period. Probably
> banker toons for farming sweatshops.

sorry to break your bubble.

As I play on the server now (Lothar EU) that this player was on
previously, he's quite famous for always having had much money.

He's sponsored a tournament in STV Arena for 10k Gold, somehow I don't
think gold farmers would give it away This was before BC.

AFAIK he earned most of it by trading because he's interested in economy
and is also running some economy simulations.

Urs

--
Mano - Orc Shaman 70 - Mining & Jewelcrafter
Blackhorns - Tauren Bear 70 - Skinning & Herbalism
Ratoma- Troll Rogue 28 - (Dis)Enchantress
Melony - Human Mage 16
and various others
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lcpltom wrote:
> On Jan 18, 8:50 am, Urs Steiner wrote:
>> Moosen wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:57:18 -0800 (PST), lcpltom
>>> wrote:
>>>> Turns out there is a limit to the maximum amount of gold you can have
>>>> on one character. As reported by WoW Insider, the gold cap is 214,748
>>>> gold, 36 silver, 48 copper. Apparently within the past week, 2
>>>> players have hit this cap.
>>>> Now, I know not everyone has gold at this level, but I have a feeling
>>>> there will be a huge inflation in the cost of mats, reagents,
>>>> training, food and water, and just about everything else with the next
>>>> expansion to account for the new virtual-wealth WoW players now have
>>>> access to.
>>> I'll tell you one things that's for damn sure- nobody stocks up that
>>> kind of gold without some pretty shady-assed methods, period. Probably
>>> banker toons for farming sweatshops.
>> sorry to break your bubble.
>>
>> As I play on the server now (Lothar EU) that this player was on
>> previously, he's quite famous for always having had much money.
>>
>> He's sponsored a tournament in STV Arena for 10k Gold, somehow I don't
>> think gold farmers would give it away This was before BC.
>>
>> AFAIK he earned most of it by trading because he's interested in economy
>> and is also running some economy simulations.

> If he is able to generate so much virtual wealth, has he applied his
> gold making strategies to the real world?

AFAIk the simulation doesn't only work in WOW (or actually wasn't
intended for WOW), so I'm quite sure he's got enough

> If he already has, and because of it has become independently wealthy,
> then I can see how he has the time to play.

Assuming 100g/hour, 214k is ~89days /played. Quite some time investment,
but I've seen players with > 300 days ...
And at the start of BC you could make insane amounts of money with e.g.
JC. I think you could easily get 4-600g/hour when you were one of the
first on your server with an epic flying mount and the right recipes.

> I need about 1200g to get my 300 riding skill and epic flying mount.
> Think he might consider transferring some of that gold my way?


If your're on the right server ... and win the STV event :]

Urs

--
Mano - Orc Shaman 70 - Mining & Jewelcrafter
Myno - Tauren Bear 70 - Skinning & Herbalism
Ratoma- Troll Rogue 28 - (Dis)Enchantress
Melony - Human Mage 16
and various others
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lcpltom writes:
>If he is able to generate so much virtual wealth, has he applied his
>gold making strategies to the real world?

The real world economy isjust a LITTLE more complicated that the wow one,
and runs on a completely different set of rules. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
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PV wrote:

> I think it's conceivable that a large guild pooling excess gold could
> get to that level. 200 people each with a thousand gold isn't outside the
> realm of possibility for a large raiding guild that makes a fortune selling
> epic recipes and crafting materials. *

This game is so incrediblebecause you an play it in so many ways...

I knew a guy on my realm (Bronzebeard) who play wow to just make golds.
His fun was to play with AH, mats, etc. He was at 16k when I knew it,
but he was also a casual player and pretty new to the game.

So I think it's possible for one or more old hard core player to gather
all that golds in about 5 years.
--
Candido
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lcpltom wrote:
> On Jan 18, 8:50 am, Urs Steiner wrote:
>> Moosen wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:57:18 -0800 (PST), lcpltom
>>> wrote:
>>>> Turns out there is a limit to the maximum amount of gold you can have
>>>> on one character. As reported by WoW Insider, the gold cap is 214,748
>>>> gold, 36 silver, 48 copper. Apparently within the past week, 2
>>>> players have hit this cap.
>>>> Now, I know not everyone has gold at this level, but I have a feeling
>>>> there will be a huge inflation in the cost of mats, reagents,
>>>> training, food and water, and just about everything else with the next
>>>> expansion to account for the new virtual-wealth WoW players now have
>>>> access to.
>>> I'll tell you one things that's for damn sure- nobody stocks up that
>>> kind of gold without some pretty shady-assed methods, period. Probably
>>> banker toons for farming sweatshops.
>> sorry to break your bubble.
>>
>> As I play on the server now (Lothar EU) that this player was on
>> previously, he's quite famous for always having had much money.
>>
>> He's sponsored a tournament in STV Arena for 10k Gold, somehow I don't
>> think gold farmers would give it away This was before BC.
>>
>> AFAIK he earned most of it by trading because he's interested in economy
>> and is also running some economy simulations.

> If he is able to generate so much virtual wealth, has he applied his
> gold making strategies to the real world?

I don't know, but as the simulation program isn't written for WOW but
for real world purposes (as I gleaned from some more info), I'd guess
he's got enough money.

> If he already has, and because of it has become independently wealthy,
> then I can see how he has the time to play.

I'm not sure how much time is actually needed to amass 214k gold.

Let's see, 100g/hour is doable easily. This gives 2140hours or about 89
days played. Hmm, much time, but considering I've seen players with
>300days played ...
And considering that one could create heap loads of money at the start
of BC (when the first level 70 were around) with Jewelcrafting, I'd
guess you could easily make up to 4-600g/hour.

I have a colleague who has made an easy >10k gold in the first two
months, while leveling up his new pala and buying all the JC recipes. He
lost the drive to get more money then, but if he'd have gone on, I think
he'd also be at >50k now easily

> I need about 1200g to get my 300 riding skill and epic flying mount.
> Think he might consider transferring some of that gold my way?

maybe, if you're on the right server and win the STV event :]

Urs

--
Mano - Orc Shaman 70 - Mining & Jewelcrafter
Myno - Tauren Bear 70 - Skinning & Herbalism
Ratoma- Troll Rogue 28 - (Dis)Enchantress
Melony - Human Mage 16
and various others
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the warlock society wrote:

> If everyone could go down to their local walmart, spend $1000 on
> merchandise and turn it around in less than 12 hours for 50% profit
> without permits, licenses, receipts and quarterly statements for the
> business and the IRS, operating expenses, payroll & 401ks etc (we
> could go on for hours)... making money would be pretty easy wouldnt
> it?

What about to play on test realms and then gather mats that you know
will be in heavy use on future patches? That should be insider training
in real life... hehehe
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Candido
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