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john.ra

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:13 pm
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Pricy mounts support goldsellers
from WOW Insider by Mike Schramm
http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/09/pricy-mounts-support-goldsellers/

We talked about this a little bit on the podcast the other day while
speaking about the mail delay now built into the game. I asked what
goldsellers were even selling gold for anymore (because there's so
much of it to be found in Azeroth, and both Turpster and Robin
answered me with: "epic mount."

Yes, there is no bigger drain on the funds than the epic mount price
of a whopping 5,000g, and Bornakk says that isn't changing any time
soon. I completely agree that having an epic flying mount is
definitely an epic achievement, and if Blizzard doesn't want to lower
the price, that's their business. But as Captnclaw notes, the refusal
to change the way epic flying mounts are obtained is almost
singlehandedly keeping goldsellers alive.

There are lots of ways to give out epic mounts and keep them epic--
one we mentioned on the show was daily quests (which is what you're
doing anyway, if you're trying to raise 5k gold legally), but anything
in that vein would work-- a reputation grind, an item turn-in, an epic
questline, or a combination of all of these. Making one of the best,
most wanted items in the game simply cost a chunk of gold is more or
less creating a market for goldsellers. And refusing to lower the
price (or, better yet, take the whole process out of the gold market
entirely) is leaving the door wide open for gold sellers to continue
hawking their wares.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:13 pm
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On Oct 10, 2:13 pm, " " wrote:
> Pricy mounts support goldsellers
> from WOW Insider by Mike Schrammhttp://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/09/pricy-mounts-support-goldsellers/
>
> We talked about this a little bit on the podcast the other day while
> speaking about the mail delay now built into the game. I asked what
> goldsellers were even selling gold for anymore (because there's so
> much of it to be found in Azeroth, and both Turpster and Robin
> answered me with: "epic mount."
>
> Yes, there is no bigger drain on the funds than the epic mount price
> of a whopping 5,000g, and Bornakk says that isn't changing any time
> soon. I completely agree that having an epic flying mount is
> definitely an epic achievement, and if Blizzard doesn't want to lower
> the price, that's their business. But as Captnclaw notes, the refusal
> to change the way epic flying mounts are obtained is almost
> singlehandedly keeping goldsellers alive.
>
> There are lots of ways to give out epic mounts and keep them epic--
> one we mentioned on the show was daily quests (which is what you're
> doing anyway, if you're trying to raise 5k gold legally), but anything
> in that vein would work-- a reputation grind, an item turn-in, an epic
> questline, or a combination of all of these. Making one of the best,
> most wanted items in the game simply cost a chunk of gold is more or
> less creating a market for goldsellers. And refusing to lower the
> price (or, better yet, take the whole process out of the gold market
> entirely) is leaving the door wide open for gold sellers to continue
> hawking their wares.

I read this article too.

Except it ignores the concept of power levelers, who might sell
services to help people do the reputation grind to get the epic mount
should the training for it be turned into a quest or rep grind or
whatever.

In fact, gold sellers could potentially make more real world cash in
that manner. If someone is willing to pay real world cash for play
money to buy 300 flying skill, they'll most likely pay for someone to
help them grind rep or do quests. Gold sellers did experiment with
this a while back. They formed 39-man teams, leveled them to 60,
geared them up, and started running raids. They would then charge
people to fill the 40th spot, have them tag along, and if the item
they were after dropped, the 39 would pass and the 1 person who paid
to be there gets the item they were after. They found it wasn't worth
it because of raid timers and such, only being able to sell the loot
from 1 boss per week, as well as possibly having to run it for several
weeks before the item the person requested actually drops.

But a rep grind or a quest chain is easier to sell help on. Make the
grind or the chain long enough and there will be people out there
willing to pay for someone else to do it for them.

And I like how people like to try to pass off the blame on to someone
else. The only reason gold farmers stay in business is because people
buy gold from them. It doesn't matter how high the price of a skill
or piece of armor is, the blame comes down to the people willing to
pay real world money for play money, without them there would be no
gold farmers.

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John Salerno

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:13 pm
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wrote:

> But as Captnclaw notes, the refusal
> to change the way epic flying mounts are obtained is almost
> singlehandedly keeping goldsellers alive.

God, I don't know how much more I can take of people complaining about
everything Blizzard does! They make all kinds of great changes for patch
2.3 and of course people are already whining about them. And now because
it costs a lot of gold to get an epic mount, they are suddenly enabling
goldsellers? If Blizzard were to change the way you get the mount, there
is absolutely no doubt in my mind that people would *still* complain
because now Blizzard is just making the game too "easy" or something to
that effect.

> There are lots of ways to give out epic mounts and keep them epic--
> one we mentioned on the show was daily quests (which is what you're
> doing anyway, if you're trying to raise 5k gold legally), but anything
> in that vein would work-- a reputation grind, an item turn-in, an epic
> questline, or a combination of all of these.

Oh yeah, please give us another rep grind to do. That'd be so much fun.
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lcpltom

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:13 pm
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On Oct 10, 2:35 pm, " " wrote:
> On Oct 10, 11:26 am, lcpltom wrote:
>
> > And I like how people like to try to pass off the blame on to someone
> > else. The only reason gold farmers stay in business is because people
> > buy gold from them. It doesn't matter how high the price of a skill
> > or piece of armor is, the blame comes down to the people willing to
> > pay real world money for play money, without them there would be no
> > gold farmers.
>
> I have to agree. So if you (not 'you: Icpltom' but 'you:general
> public') have ever bought gold, consider yourself responsible for all
> those fricking, annoying, intrusive spam messages that flood the chat
> channels.

I'm convinced a majority gold buyers are too ashamed to admit to it
anyway.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:13 pm
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On Oct 10, 3:03 pm, ke....TakeThisOut@spamsucks.com wrote:
> > There are lots of ways to give out epic mounts and keep them epic--
> > one we mentioned on the show was daily quests (which is what you're
> > doing anyway, if you're trying to raise 5k gold legally), but anything
>
> Yes, quest for it -- that would make a lot more sense, and it would be a
> serious blow to the gold farmers. Or at least come up with some middle ground
> between gold and quests. It might even cut down on the over-competition over
> mining veins.
>
> One of the nice things about being a warlock is that I haven't had to pay for
> any mounts (yet).
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
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Yeah, but the article is stating specifically the 5000 gold needed for
300 riding skill is what is enabling gold farmers.

You will also find at level 60, the mats you need to get might end up
costing you more than if you paid 540 gold for the 150 training and
bought a mount. I know it cost me more, but I did it for the mount,
not for the "free" training (if you can call that free).
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:13 pm
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On Oct 10, 3:20 pm, pv+use...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
> " " writes:
> >Pricy mounts support goldsellers
> >from WOW Insider by Mike Schramm
> >http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/09/pricy-mounts-support-goldsellers/
>
> If you spend more than $300 in real money for just a mount, you've got some
> serious issues.
>
> Looks like another bot purge in order - this is half what they were
> charging the last time I looked for an article. On the other hand, I heard
> a story on the instance podcast that even the most "mainstream" gold seller
> is running regular con games these days - taking your money in advance and
> not delivering. *
> --
> * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
> like corkscrews.

Reports like this might have been due to the changes Blizzard has been
making to intercept gold being sold. People pay for the gold, log
into the game, and during the 1-hour delay on gold coming through the
mail Blizzard intercepts and confiscates the gold, whats the gold
buyer to think? They're naturally going to say they got ripped off.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:13 pm
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On Oct 10, 3:24 pm, pv+use...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
> "Xymmie" writes:
> >There's spam in gen chat on your realm??
>
> I see maybe one sad little character doing /say spamming a week. You can
> sometimes see them getting banned while you're standing there. Other than
> this, I NEVER get any form of gold spam anymore. It's almost totally erased
> from the game. *
> --
> * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
> like corkscrews.

I reported one for spam the other day. Even the random group invites
have diminished.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:14 pm
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"lcpltom" wrote in message

> On Oct 10, 3:24 pm, pv+use...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
>> "Xymmie" writes:
>> >There's spam in gen chat on your realm??
>>
>> I see maybe one sad little character doing /say spamming a week. You can
>> sometimes see them getting banned while you're standing there. Other than
>> this, I NEVER get any form of gold spam anymore. It's almost totally
>> erased
>> from the game. *
>> --
>> * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
>> like corkscrews.
>
> I reported one for spam the other day. Even the random group invites
> have diminished.

I report the /say players, but I've merely declined the group invites.
Since I receive several each evening, maybe I should start
accepting/reporting again. (They'd dropped off for awhile, but I've noticed
a substantial increase in the past couple of weeks.)

Xymmie
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:14 pm
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John Salerno wrote:
>
> wrote:
>
> > But as Captnclaw notes, the refusal
> > to change the way epic flying mounts are obtained is almost
> > singlehandedly keeping goldsellers alive.
>
> God, I don't know how much more I can take of people complaining about
> everything Blizzard does! They make all kinds of great changes for patch
> 2.3 and of course people are already whining about them.

Then they obviously don't think they are "great". They have every right
to say so.

> And now because
> it costs a lot of gold to get an epic mount, they are suddenly enabling
> goldsellers? If Blizzard were to change the way you get the mount, there
> is absolutely no doubt in my mind that people would *still* complain
> because now Blizzard is just making the game too "easy" or something to
> that effect.
>

No matter what changes are made, someone will complain. That's human
nature.

> > There are lots of ways to give out epic mounts and keep them epic--
> > one we mentioned on the show was daily quests (which is what you're
> > doing anyway, if you're trying to raise 5k gold legally), but anything
> > in that vein would work-- a reputation grind, an item turn-in, an epic
> > questline, or a combination of all of these.
>
> Oh yeah, please give us another rep grind to do. That'd be so much fun.

More fun than just a gold grind. I'm not a fan of either. It should be a
quest chain, but soloable quests.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:35 pm
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On Oct 10, 11:26 am, lcpltom wrote:

> And I like how people like to try to pass off the blame on to someone
> else. The only reason gold farmers stay in business is because people
> buy gold from them. It doesn't matter how high the price of a skill
> or piece of armor is, the blame comes down to the people willing to
> pay real world money for play money, without them there would be no
> gold farmers.

I have to agree. So if you (not 'you: Icpltom' but 'you:general
public') have ever bought gold, consider yourself responsible for all
those fricking, annoying, intrusive spam messages that flood the chat
channels.
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Xymmie

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:35 pm
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wrote in message

> On Oct 10, 11:26 am, lcpltom wrote:
>
>> And I like how people like to try to pass off the blame on to someone
>> else. The only reason gold farmers stay in business is because people
>> buy gold from them. It doesn't matter how high the price of a skill
>> or piece of armor is, the blame comes down to the people willing to
>> pay real world money for play money, without them there would be no
>> gold farmers.
>
> I have to agree. So if you (not 'you: Icpltom' but 'you:general
> public') have ever bought gold, consider yourself responsible for all
> those fricking, annoying, intrusive spam messages that flood the chat
> channels.


There's spam in gen chat on your realm??

There are the L1s that "say" in the city squares near banks, and there are a
hyooooooooge number of L1 human warriors that invite random Alliance players
to group (though they seem to have started creating more normal looking
character names rather than the gobbledy-gook they used awhile back), and
there must be a corresponding L1 Horde-type doing the same thing, but gold
sellers on gen chat are pretty nearly non-existent on the realms I play.

Xymmie
Not a Gold Buyer
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:03 pm
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> There are lots of ways to give out epic mounts and keep them epic--
> one we mentioned on the show was daily quests (which is what you're
> doing anyway, if you're trying to raise 5k gold legally), but anything

Yes, quest for it -- that would make a lot more sense, and it would be a
serious blow to the gold farmers. Or at least come up with some middle ground
between gold and quests. It might even cut down on the over-competition over
mining veins.

One of the nice things about being a warlock is that I haven't had to pay for
any mounts (yet).

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:20 pm
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" " writes:
>Pricy mounts support goldsellers
>from WOW Insider by Mike Schramm
>http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/09/pricy-mounts-support-goldsellers/

If you spend more than $300 in real money for just a mount, you've got some
serious issues.

Looks like another bot purge in order - this is half what they were
charging the last time I looked for an article. On the other hand, I heard
a story on the instance podcast that even the most "mainstream" gold seller
is running regular con games these days - taking your money in advance and
not delivering. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:22 pm
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lcpltom writes:
>And I like how people like to try to pass off the blame on to someone
>else. The only reason gold farmers stay in business is because people
>buy gold from them. It doesn't matter how high the price of a skill

The only reason gold farmers stay in business is because it's a short con
with even less legal recourse than a real world short con. *
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:24 pm
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"Xymmie" writes:
>There's spam in gen chat on your realm??

I see maybe one sad little character doing /say spamming a week. You can
sometimes see them getting banned while you're standing there. Other than
this, I NEVER get any form of gold spam anymore. It's almost totally erased
from the game. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
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